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Surely someone is irrigating. I am going to start, I purchased a water-reel ... if your irrigating lets talk about it. Are you using your 24 hrs? Only at night?
I grew up around irrigation from ditch and tubes , then to underground lines and 8" x 30' pipe with gates on 30's and 40's then thank God we got center pivots. Here there are 1000's of center pivot sprinklers. Only way to do it out in this area for it is wide and vast. Mostly flat some hilly. Right now it is dry as a bone and hot as hell. So far we have been almost a year on less than 3" of rain ! So yes I am trying to settle the dust . If you need to know something about irrigation systems I may know some ? Not much on the rolls or side roll types . I bought my 1st sprinkler system in 1980 when I got out of school, interest was a deal at 18.5 % with zimmatic lol Thank god we are not paying that today ! yet ? I am located in west end of Panhandle of Oklahoma myself .
I am in the same position as panhandle9400 sprinklers and flood irrigation
I am starting to research the water reels and K-Line drag around type. I only have small pastures 25 acres and less so it looks like something that would work, for dry years. In normal years we get enough rain to get 3 cuttings and cows not go hungry. Sure would like to see more discussion.
My fields are small ... 20 acres, 10 acres and 10 acres ... each has a pond. I will be using a PTO pump and the water reel .... I read conflicting data about the time of day to irrigate. I'm thinking because I am so dry I will run 24/7 for a couple weeks to get the water out there and try to revive the bermuda hoping to get a fall cutting and then plant winter rye for a spring cutting and then right back to the bermuda. My other hay fields are big and no water available so I'm going to work on these. I don't see any relieve soon and when I look back over the years I could have always put some water out.
A friend of mine is looking at the k-line ... I just prefered the water reel.
I helped a friend of mine set up a tow around system like the K-line called irr-pod. What a joke. Can't see that as very efficient. Very time consuming for the very small area and really expensive. They gave up using the system, just way too much work for re-fueling pumps, pumps loosing prime, moving every 12 hours to irrigate a acre per day per line. the system is rolled up and for sale. The K-line people where hard to deal with , they want to charge you a large consulting fee as part of the sale package.
Interesting ... he seams to think the k-line is the way to go ... I'll let him know.
Good to hear the other side from someone who has one. The irripod looks less expensive than the K-Line. So do the reels work pretty good? Already know I will have to refuel daily, unless a rig up something on the pumps at the pond.
Wheel Lines, Hand Line, Under Ground, Pivits, Flud, Big Guns in central oregon. We try to water at night, 1/2 - 1 inch per set, cover the field in four days. The heat and wind will take a lot of water before it ever hits the ground in the day. If it is hot and no cap on the field then we water more. The soil is very sandy, so more water does not help much, it just passes right through the ground. Don't see the k-line products as good solutions for hay fields. Looks like it would nock down to much of the hay moving it. We are on irrigation districts here which deliver a set amount of water to us via ditches and piping. So to water just at night we have holding ponds. Then pumps that will drain them in the night and that allows us to cover the field fast in the evenging.
The main reason I went with the reel is my neighbor had one years ago and swore by it ... my little tractor uses 1.4 gallons of diesel per hour at full PTO rpm ... they say I should be able to pump enough water at 1600 rpm's ... therefore ... yes I will need to full it daily, I think the consumption will be less per hr at less PTO rpm. Thus the decision for the PTO pump ... I should take delivery first part of next week. I will put up pictures and reports of how I actually feel about it. I'm still trying to decide if I will only irragate at night or run day and night ...
Find some info on how much water you need for your conditions in the area you live. Talk to locals, schools, articles... Then set a rain gage out. We uses a few of them in random locations. That will give you a idea of how much you are watering, and weather or not you need to run day and night to cover the field in a set period of time.
Sooo ... when the company provides the data on the unit speed, GPM, PSI, the amount of acerage covered, the amount in inches ... thats just a random estimate? Rain Gauge ... I didn't give them a thought ... I think in the morning I will see if the extension office has any irrigation data to share. This is becoming an exciting adventure ... I can not wait to pump some water .... and keep records and measure ... watch the grass grow.
just curious on the brand of reels you guys are using and how much horsepower to feed them?
Would definitely want to start with a system that comes close to your needs with regard to GPM and so on. But, I think you will find actual results are different that lab results (Wind, Temp, Pressure at each sprinkler, Time of day, placement of the gage ...) We did anyways. I don't know how many records you need to keep... Just find out what amount of water you need on the field. Then do that. More is not always better.... Do others irrigate in your area? One more thought, in our area if you get behind in the hot dry months, it will be very difficult to catch up that year and get a resemble yield.
I have thought about it, too, especially after the 4 month drought we just went through. The guy that sprigged my Jiggs bermuda 5 years ago has a reel system on his place now. I think it's a used Kifco he picked up in Mississippi somewhere (does anybody besides Kifco make these things?). He went to the expense of installing risers every 300 feet or so on the fields he has set aside strictly for sprigging material. Needless to say, his place looks great all growing season long. My water source is a deep well riser that I used to use to irrigate rice. The problem I would have with a reel is the fact that the deep well isn't controlled by a pressure switch, so once the water shut off at the end of the run, the back pressure on the well would bust a pipe somewhere underground. I would have to manually stop the well before the reel system cut off. This well also feeds two other farms so I wouldn't have sole control of it, either. The 28 acres I would like to irrigate has a little slope, about 4 inches, and could be divided up into two 7 acre patches and one 14 acre patch. I was thinking of using poly pipe at the top of the slopes. This application could work with my deep well arrangement. Sounds like another winter project.
Thank you for that info...my neigbor used to have a reel and I am going to visit with him ... the extension office does not have much data to share ... I also have been very dry ... drought conditions, I am thinking that the current Bermuda grass will probably not revive for a fall cutting. My plan right now is to get the ground moisture built up for the winter grass thus shooting for a early spring cutting.
We had 2 hobbs reels in the field (Hobbs is now Amadas). I think the hose on them is 3.75 inch, and it's 990ft long. It's 6 inch main going to them, 150hp pumping the water from ponds. Both are for sale in eastern PA.
Up and running ... using different nozzles and PSI settings on each run trying to get the most effective pattern and moisture in the best time. Running about 200'x700' putting 1" in the rain gauge. No actual setting for ft per hour on the machine ... so I take my best quess from the chart, set the pump PSI, the Reel PSI, put a rain gauge in the ground at the cart. Once gauge is out of the sprinler pattern ... I measure the distance, calculate the time to get the approximate ft per hour and read the gauge. Sure is a blast to watch it in action!!!
I have been looking at the the same setup, except putting in a well for water. hate the idea of a tractor just setting there running. I talked to Smith about a unit, trying to decide on what size, any surprises when it came in?
I too hate that tractor just sitting there running, however it is the most efficent way for me to operate this setup at this time ... I am contemplating a well along with the ponds ... can never have enough water ... there where no surprises and I have to tell you that Terry is excellent to work with. He took the time to answer every email, every phone call and every little dumb question I could ask ... he can and will advise you.
All is going well other than the hrs required ... I try not to irrigate during the hottest time of the day, so 5-10 a.m. and then 6-10 p.m. I did run a couple days when it was overcast. Everything is working real good ... The well man told me that records indicate average well is 100' and pumps 8-10 gpm in this area ... he wants $5,000 for the first 100' and then $30 a foot after that, looks like the well idea will be on hold. I have 3 ponds so I think I am going to be okay on water.
That seems awful high to drill a well. I know diesel has really increased the price but that still seems high. I would call around just to see. Hope things work out.
Takes 500 to 600 feet to get to the aquifer in my area, runs about $17 a foot. Then you have to buy a pump, $2,000 up. But I can pump in to most of my ponds and then pump out of them. I have been told to stay away from shallow wells, because of heavy minerals and contamination!
Surely someone is irrigating. I am going to start, I purchased a water-reel ... if your irrigating lets talk about it. Are you using your 24 hrs? Only at night?
I grew up around irrigation from ditch and tubes , then to underground lines and 8" x 30' pipe with gates on 30's and 40's then thank God we got center pivots. Here there are 1000's of center pivot sprinklers. Only way to do it out in this area for it is wide and vast. Mostly flat some hilly. Right now it is dry as a bone and hot as hell. So far we have been almost a year on less than 3" of rain ! So yes I am trying to settle the dust . If you need to know something about irrigation systems I may know some ? Not much on the rolls or side roll types . I bought my 1st sprinkler system in 1980 when I got out of school, interest was a deal at 18.5 % with zimmatic lol Thank god we are not paying that today ! yet ? I am located in west end of Panhandle of Oklahoma myself .
I am in the same position as panhandle9400 sprinklers and flood irrigation
I am starting to research the water reels and K-Line drag around type. I only have small pastures 25 acres and less so it looks like something that would work, for dry years. In normal years we get enough rain to get 3 cuttings and cows not go hungry. Sure would like to see more discussion.
My fields are small ... 20 acres, 10 acres and 10 acres ... each has a pond. I will be using a PTO pump and the water reel .... I read conflicting data about the time of day to irrigate. I'm thinking because I am so dry I will run 24/7 for a couple weeks to get the water out there and try to revive the bermuda hoping to get a fall cutting and then plant winter rye for a spring cutting and then right back to the bermuda. My other hay fields are big and no water available so I'm going to work on these. I don't see any relieve soon and when I look back over the years I could have always put some water out.
A friend of mine is looking at the k-line ... I just prefered the water reel.
I helped a friend of mine set up a tow around system like the K-line called irr-pod. What a joke. Can't see that as very efficient. Very time consuming for the very small area and really expensive. They gave up using the system, just way too much work for re-fueling pumps, pumps loosing prime, moving every 12 hours to irrigate a acre per day per line. the system is rolled up and for sale. The K-line people where hard to deal with , they want to charge you a large consulting fee as part of the sale package.
Interesting ... he seams to think the k-line is the way to go ... I'll let him know.
Good to hear the other side from someone who has one. The irripod looks less expensive than the K-Line. So do the reels work pretty good? Already know I will have to refuel daily, unless a rig up something on the pumps at the pond.
Wheel Lines, Hand Line, Under Ground, Pivits, Flud, Big Guns in central oregon. We try to water at night, 1/2 - 1 inch per set, cover the field in four days. The heat and wind will take a lot of water before it ever hits the ground in the day. If it is hot and no cap on the field then we water more. The soil is very sandy, so more water does not help much, it just passes right through the ground. Don't see the k-line products as good solutions for hay fields. Looks like it would nock down to much of the hay moving it. We are on irrigation districts here which deliver a set amount of water to us via ditches and piping. So to water just at night we have holding ponds. Then pumps that will drain them in the night and that allows us to cover the field fast in the evenging.
The main reason I went with the reel is my neighbor had one years ago and swore by it ... my little tractor uses 1.4 gallons of diesel per hour at full PTO rpm ... they say I should be able to pump enough water at 1600 rpm's ... therefore ... yes I will need to full it daily, I think the consumption will be less per hr at less PTO rpm. Thus the decision for the PTO pump ... I should take delivery first part of next week. I will put up pictures and reports of how I actually feel about it. I'm still trying to decide if I will only irragate at night or run day and night ...
Find some info on how much water you need for your conditions in the area you live. Talk to locals, schools, articles... Then set a rain gage out. We uses a few of them in random locations. That will give you a idea of how much you are watering, and weather or not you need to run day and night to cover the field in a set period of time.
Sooo ... when the company provides the data on the unit speed, GPM, PSI, the amount of acerage covered, the amount in inches ... thats just a random estimate? Rain Gauge ... I didn't give them a thought ... I think in the morning I will see if the extension office has any irrigation data to share. This is becoming an exciting adventure ... I can not wait to pump some water .... and keep records and measure ... watch the grass grow.
just curious on the brand of reels you guys are using and how much horsepower to feed them?
Would definitely want to start with a system that comes close to your needs with regard to GPM and so on. But, I think you will find actual results are different that lab results (Wind, Temp, Pressure at each sprinkler, Time of day, placement of the gage ...) We did anyways. I don't know how many records you need to keep... Just find out what amount of water you need on the field. Then do that. More is not always better.... Do others irrigate in your area? One more thought, in our area if you get behind in the hot dry months, it will be very difficult to catch up that year and get a resemble yield.
I have thought about it, too, especially after the 4 month drought we just went through. The guy that sprigged my Jiggs bermuda 5 years ago has a reel system on his place now. I think it's a used Kifco he picked up in Mississippi somewhere (does anybody besides Kifco make these things?). He went to the expense of installing risers every 300 feet or so on the fields he has set aside strictly for sprigging material. Needless to say, his place looks great all growing season long. My water source is a deep well riser that I used to use to irrigate rice. The problem I would have with a reel is the fact that the deep well isn't controlled by a pressure switch, so once the water shut off at the end of the run, the back pressure on the well would bust a pipe somewhere underground. I would have to manually stop the well before the reel system cut off. This well also feeds two other farms so I wouldn't have sole control of it, either. The 28 acres I would like to irrigate has a little slope, about 4 inches, and could be divided up into two 7 acre patches and one 14 acre patch. I was thinking of using poly pipe at the top of the slopes. This application could work with my deep well arrangement. Sounds like another winter project.
Thank you for that info...my neigbor used to have a reel and I am going to visit with him ... the extension office does not have much data to share ... I also have been very dry ... drought conditions, I am thinking that the current Bermuda grass will probably not revive for a fall cutting. My plan right now is to get the ground moisture built up for the winter grass thus shooting for a early spring cutting.
We had 2 hobbs reels in the field (Hobbs is now Amadas). I think the hose on them is 3.75 inch, and it's 990ft long. It's 6 inch main going to them, 150hp pumping the water from ponds. Both are for sale in eastern PA.
Up and running ... using different nozzles and PSI settings on each run trying to get the most effective pattern and moisture in the best time. Running about 200'x700' putting 1" in the rain gauge. No actual setting for ft per hour on the machine ... so I take my best quess from the chart, set the pump PSI, the Reel PSI, put a rain gauge in the ground at the cart. Once gauge is out of the sprinler pattern ... I measure the distance, calculate the time to get the approximate ft per hour and read the gauge. Sure is a blast to watch it in action!!!
I have been looking at the the same setup, except putting in a well for water. hate the idea of a tractor just setting there running. I talked to Smith about a unit, trying to decide on what size, any surprises when it came in?
I too hate that tractor just sitting there running, however it is the most efficent way for me to operate this setup at this time ... I am contemplating a well along with the ponds ... can never have enough water ... there where no surprises and I have to tell you that Terry is excellent to work with. He took the time to answer every email, every phone call and every little dumb question I could ask ... he can and will advise you.
All is going well other than the hrs required ... I try not to irrigate during the hottest time of the day, so 5-10 a.m. and then 6-10 p.m. I did run a couple days when it was overcast. Everything is working real good ... The well man told me that records indicate average well is 100' and pumps 8-10 gpm in this area ... he wants $5,000 for the first 100' and then $30 a foot after that, looks like the well idea will be on hold. I have 3 ponds so I think I am going to be okay on water.
That seems awful high to drill a well. I know diesel has really increased the price but that still seems high. I would call around just to see. Hope things work out.
Takes 500 to 600 feet to get to the aquifer in my area, runs about $17 a foot. Then you have to buy a pump, $2,000 up. But I can pump in to most of my ponds and then pump out of them. I have been told to stay away from shallow wells, because of heavy minerals and contamination!
Surely someone is irrigating. I am going to start, I purchased a water-reel ... if your irrigating lets talk about it. Are you using your 24 hrs? Only at night?
I grew up around irrigation from ditch and tubes , then to underground lines and 8" x 30' pipe with gates on 30's and 40's then thank God we got center pivots. Here there are 1000's of center pivot sprinklers. Only way to do it out in this area for it is wide and vast. Mostly flat some hilly. Right now it is dry as a bone and hot as hell. So far we have been almost a year on less than 3" of rain ! So yes I am trying to settle the dust . If you need to know something about irrigation systems I may know some ? Not much on the rolls or side roll types . I bought my 1st sprinkler system in 1980 when I got out of school, interest was a deal at 18.5 % with zimmatic lol Thank god we are not paying that today ! yet ? I am located in west end of Panhandle of Oklahoma myself .
I am in the same position as panhandle9400 sprinklers and flood irrigation
I am starting to research the water reels and K-Line drag around type. I only have small pastures 25 acres and less so it looks like something that would work, for dry years. In normal years we get enough rain to get 3 cuttings and cows not go hungry. Sure would like to see more discussion.
My fields are small ... 20 acres, 10 acres and 10 acres ... each has a pond. I will be using a PTO pump and the water reel .... I read conflicting data about the time of day to irrigate. I'm thinking because I am so dry I will run 24/7 for a couple weeks to get the water out there and try to revive the bermuda hoping to get a fall cutting and then plant winter rye for a spring cutting and then right back to the bermuda. My other hay fields are big and no water available so I'm going to work on these. I don't see any relieve soon and when I look back over the years I could have always put some water out.
A friend of mine is looking at the k-line ... I just prefered the water reel.
I helped a friend of mine set up a tow around system like the K-line called irr-pod. What a joke. Can't see that as very efficient. Very time consuming for the very small area and really expensive. They gave up using the system, just way too much work for re-fueling pumps, pumps loosing prime, moving every 12 hours to irrigate a acre per day per line. the system is rolled up and for sale. The K-line people where hard to deal with , they want to charge you a large consulting fee as part of the sale package.
Interesting ... he seams to think the k-line is the way to go ... I'll let him know.
Good to hear the other side from someone who has one. The irripod looks less expensive than the K-Line. So do the reels work pretty good? Already know I will have to refuel daily, unless a rig up something on the pumps at the pond.
Wheel Lines, Hand Line, Under Ground, Pivits, Flud, Big Guns in central oregon. We try to water at night, 1/2 - 1 inch per set, cover the field in four days. The heat and wind will take a lot of water before it ever hits the ground in the day. If it is hot and no cap on the field then we water more. The soil is very sandy, so more water does not help much, it just passes right through the ground. Don't see the k-line products as good solutions for hay fields. Looks like it would nock down to much of the hay moving it. We are on irrigation districts here which deliver a set amount of water to us via ditches and piping. So to water just at night we have holding ponds. Then pumps that will drain them in the night and that allows us to cover the field fast in the evenging.
The main reason I went with the reel is my neighbor had one years ago and swore by it ... my little tractor uses 1.4 gallons of diesel per hour at full PTO rpm ... they say I should be able to pump enough water at 1600 rpm's ... therefore ... yes I will need to full it daily, I think the consumption will be less per hr at less PTO rpm. Thus the decision for the PTO pump ... I should take delivery first part of next week. I will put up pictures and reports of how I actually feel about it. I'm still trying to decide if I will only irragate at night or run day and night ...
Find some info on how much water you need for your conditions in the area you live. Talk to locals, schools, articles... Then set a rain gage out. We uses a few of them in random locations. That will give you a idea of how much you are watering, and weather or not you need to run day and night to cover the field in a set period of time.
Sooo ... when the company provides the data on the unit speed, GPM, PSI, the amount of acerage covered, the amount in inches ... thats just a random estimate? Rain Gauge ... I didn't give them a thought ... I think in the morning I will see if the extension office has any irrigation data to share. This is becoming an exciting adventure ... I can not wait to pump some water .... and keep records and measure ... watch the grass grow.
just curious on the brand of reels you guys are using and how much horsepower to feed them?
Would definitely want to start with a system that comes close to your needs with regard to GPM and so on. But, I think you will find actual results are different that lab results (Wind, Temp, Pressure at each sprinkler, Time of day, placement of the gage ...) We did anyways. I don't know how many records you need to keep... Just find out what amount of water you need on the field. Then do that. More is not always better.... Do others irrigate in your area? One more thought, in our area if you get behind in the hot dry months, it will be very difficult to catch up that year and get a resemble yield.
I have thought about it, too, especially after the 4 month drought we just went through. The guy that sprigged my Jiggs bermuda 5 years ago has a reel system on his place now. I think it's a used Kifco he picked up in Mississippi somewhere (does anybody besides Kifco make these things?). He went to the expense of installing risers every 300 feet or so on the fields he has set aside strictly for sprigging material. Needless to say, his place looks great all growing season long. My water source is a deep well riser that I used to use to irrigate rice. The problem I would have with a reel is the fact that the deep well isn't controlled by a pressure switch, so once the water shut off at the end of the run, the back pressure on the well would bust a pipe somewhere underground. I would have to manually stop the well before the reel system cut off. This well also feeds two other farms so I wouldn't have sole control of it, either. The 28 acres I would like to irrigate has a little slope, about 4 inches, and could be divided up into two 7 acre patches and one 14 acre patch. I was thinking of using poly pipe at the top of the slopes. This application could work with my deep well arrangement. Sounds like another winter project.
Thank you for that info...my neigbor used to have a reel and I am going to visit with him ... the extension office does not have much data to share ... I also have been very dry ... drought conditions, I am thinking that the current Bermuda grass will probably not revive for a fall cutting. My plan right now is to get the ground moisture built up for the winter grass thus shooting for a early spring cutting.
We had 2 hobbs reels in the field (Hobbs is now Amadas). I think the hose on them is 3.75 inch, and it's 990ft long. It's 6 inch main going to them, 150hp pumping the water from ponds. Both are for sale in eastern PA.
Up and running ... using different nozzles and PSI settings on each run trying to get the most effective pattern and moisture in the best time. Running about 200'x700' putting 1" in the rain gauge. No actual setting for ft per hour on the machine ... so I take my best quess from the chart, set the pump PSI, the Reel PSI, put a rain gauge in the ground at the cart. Once gauge is out of the sprinler pattern ... I measure the distance, calculate the time to get the approximate ft per hour and read the gauge. Sure is a blast to watch it in action!!!
I have been looking at the the same setup, except putting in a well for water. hate the idea of a tractor just setting there running. I talked to Smith about a unit, trying to decide on what size, any surprises when it came in?
I too hate that tractor just sitting there running, however it is the most efficent way for me to operate this setup at this time ... I am contemplating a well along with the ponds ... can never have enough water ... there where no surprises and I have to tell you that Terry is excellent to work with. He took the time to answer every email, every phone call and every little dumb question I could ask ... he can and will advise you.
All is going well other than the hrs required ... I try not to irrigate during the hottest time of the day, so 5-10 a.m. and then 6-10 p.m. I did run a couple days when it was overcast. Everything is working real good ... The well man told me that records indicate average well is 100' and pumps 8-10 gpm in this area ... he wants $5,000 for the first 100' and then $30 a foot after that, looks like the well idea will be on hold. I have 3 ponds so I think I am going to be okay on water.
That seems awful high to drill a well. I know diesel has really increased the price but that still seems high. I would call around just to see. Hope things work out.
Takes 500 to 600 feet to get to the aquifer in my area, runs about $17 a foot. Then you have to buy a pump, $2,000 up. But I can pump in to most of my ponds and then pump out of them. I have been told to stay away from shallow wells, because of heavy minerals and contamination!
Surely someone is irrigating. I am going to start, I purchased a water-reel ... if your irrigating lets talk about it. Are you using your 24 hrs? Only at night?
I grew up around irrigation from ditch and tubes , then to underground lines and 8" x 30' pipe with gates on 30's and 40's then thank God we got center pivots. Here there are 1000's of center pivot sprinklers. Only way to do it out in this area for it is wide and vast. Mostly flat some hilly. Right now it is dry as a bone and hot as hell. So far we have been almost a year on less than 3" of rain ! So yes I am trying to settle the dust . If you need to know something about irrigation systems I may know some ? Not much on the rolls or side roll types . I bought my 1st sprinkler system in 1980 when I got out of school, interest was a deal at 18.5 % with zimmatic lol Thank god we are not paying that today ! yet ? I am located in west end of Panhandle of Oklahoma myself .
I am in the same position as panhandle9400 sprinklers and flood irrigation
I am starting to research the water reels and K-Line drag around type. I only have small pastures 25 acres and less so it looks like something that would work, for dry years. In normal years we get enough rain to get 3 cuttings and cows not go hungry. Sure would like to see more discussion.
My fields are small ... 20 acres, 10 acres and 10 acres ... each has a pond. I will be using a PTO pump and the water reel .... I read conflicting data about the time of day to irrigate. I'm thinking because I am so dry I will run 24/7 for a couple weeks to get the water out there and try to revive the bermuda hoping to get a fall cutting and then plant winter rye for a spring cutting and then right back to the bermuda. My other hay fields are big and no water available so I'm going to work on these. I don't see any relieve soon and when I look back over the years I could have always put some water out.
A friend of mine is looking at the k-line ... I just prefered the water reel.
I helped a friend of mine set up a tow around system like the K-line called irr-pod. What a joke. Can't see that as very efficient. Very time consuming for the very small area and really expensive. They gave up using the system, just way too much work for re-fueling pumps, pumps loosing prime, moving every 12 hours to irrigate a acre per day per line. the system is rolled up and for sale. The K-line people where hard to deal with , they want to charge you a large consulting fee as part of the sale package.
Interesting ... he seams to think the k-line is the way to go ... I'll let him know.
Good to hear the other side from someone who has one. The irripod looks less expensive than the K-Line. So do the reels work pretty good? Already know I will
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